Thursday, July 16, 2009

Big mean Council of Europe warns against us cute fuzzy little creationists

Resolution 1580 (2007)1

The dangers of creationism in education

(My comments in blue)


1. The aim of this resolution is not to question or to fight a belief – the right to freedom of belief does not permit that. The aim is to warn against certain tendencies to pass off a belief as science. It is necessary to separate belief from science. It is not a matter of antagonism. Science and belief must be able to coexist. It is not a matter of opposing belief and science, but it is necessary to prevent belief from opposing science.

Of course they aren't antagonistic to belief as THEY define it but to TRUE Biblical belief they are indeed antagonistic, because the God of the Bible made the universe and has given enough of a clue to how He did it that science must subordinate itself to His revelation to be true.

2. For some people the Creation, as a matter of religious belief, gives a meaning to life.

Of course they go on to define what religious belief is in such a way that their idea of science is not antagonistic to their idea of belief, and anything we say about the Bible's authority as the Creator's own revelation is defined as unscientific. No, they aren't antagonistic to this phony definition of belief but they are antagonistic to true Biblical belief. I guess we're safe from the lions as long as we accept their definition, huh?

Nevertheless, the Parliamentary Assembly is worried about the possible ill-effects of the spread of creationist ideas within our education systems and about the consequences for our democracies. If we are not careful, creationism could become a threat to human rights, which are a key concern of the Council of Europe.

Possible ill effects of the spread of God's truth worries them, and somehow God's truth is anti-democratic TOO! And a threat to HUMAN RIGHTS! My my aren't we the enemies of society. But so the early Romans called the early Christians too, and threw them to the lions for their anti-social and atheistic ways. And so the Nazis called the Jews too, as well as Christians who wouldn't toe their line. Ever does Caesar repeatedly rear his ugly antichrist head, and the final one is surely coming soon.

3. Creationism, born of the denial of the evolution of species through natural selection, was for a long time an almost exclusively American phenomenon. Today creationist ideas are tending to find their way into Europe and their spread is affecting quite a few Council of Europe member states.

Nice to know America still leads in honoring God's truth, but it's also nice to know there are a few Christian Europeans left too. (Unless, hm, yes it's possible, the European creationists are Muslims, since that group is growing so rapidly there. That would be enlightening information to have).

4. The prime target of present-day creationists, most of whom are of the Christian or Muslim faith, is education. Creationists are bent on ensuring that their ideas are included in the school science syllabuses. Creationism cannot, however, lay claim to being a scientific discipline.

Well, what we actually claim is more that it reveals scientific truth rather than a scientific discipline as such, and above all we claim that evolution is not science and we know that because of God's revelation, but there is genuine creationist science that is conducted by creationists as well.

Yes, I suspect it probably is the Muslims who are mostly giving them a hard time over there, since European Christianity pretty much died a long time ago. Another case of God's judgment on the apostate churches, and just as with the head covering, He's using the Muslims to model what Christians have failed to do.

5. Creationists question the scientific character of certain areas of knowledge and argue that the theory of evolution is only one interpretation among others. They accuse scientists of not providing enough evidence to establish the theory of evolution as scientifically valid. On the contrary, creationists defend their own statements as scientific. None of this stands up to objective analysis.

Actually it does but they are blinded by their prejudices.

6. We are witnessing a growth of modes of thought which challenge established knowledge about nature, evolution, our origins and our place in the universe.

What on earth are they so afraid of? Good grief, they can't tolerate leaving people alone in this world to compete with their ideas from a radically different point of view? Well, we know their crazed urgency to deprive us of our freedom is driven supernaturally of course. There is nothing rational about it.

7. There is a real risk of serious confusion being introduced into our children’s minds between what has to do with convictions, beliefs, ideals of all sorts and what has to do with science. An “all things are equal” attitude may seem appealing and tolerant, but is in fact dangerous.

OUR children? Wouldn't want their children to suspect there might be a Creator God would they? Can't trust the next generation to make a rational decision, they have to force THEIR definition of science versus "belief" on them, brainwash them, but of course they do this in all sincerity because they are so convinced of the rightness of their own beliefs. Thus have tyrants always risen to rule.

8. Creationism has many contradictory aspects. The “intelligent design” idea, which is the latest, more refined version of creationism, does not deny a certain degree of evolution. However, intelligent design, presented in a more subtle way, seeks to portray its approach as scientific, and therein lies the danger.

Well, the Jews of Germany were also considered dangerous, so they had to be wiped out; and the Christians of the early Roman Empire were also considered dangerous, so they had to be wiped out, and so on. This is the nature of the thinking here but as with all oppressors they are so locked into their own feverish paranoid view all they know is they've got to get rid of the Enemy.

9. The Assembly has constantly insisted that science is of fundamental importance. Science has made possible considerable improvements in living and working conditions and is a rather significant factor in economic, technological and social development. The theory of evolution has nothing to do with divine revelation but is built on facts.

The theory of evolution has absolutely NOTHING to do with the kind of TRUE science that has brought about the technological and economic improvements in life. Even if evolution were TRUE this would be the case because how things came about in the past DOES NOT AFFECT practical science. But they are blind to this, alas.

10. Creationism claims to be based on scientific rigour. In reality the methods employed by creationists are of three types: purely dogmatic assertions; distorted use of scientific quotations, sometimes illustrated with magnificent photographs; and backing from more or less well-known scientists, most of whom are not specialists in these matters. By these means creationists seek to appeal to non-specialists and spread doubt and confusion in their minds.

Paranoid ravings.

11. Evolution is not simply a matter of the evolution of humans and of populations. Denying it could have serious consequences for the development of our societies. Advances in medical research, aiming at combating infectious diseases such as Aids, are impossible if every principle of evolution is denied. One cannot be fully aware of the risks involved in the significant decline in biodiversity and climate change if the mechanisms of evolution are not understood.

I suppose they believe this but it's absolute nonsense. The power of a delusion is truly amazing.

12. Our modern world is based on a long history, of which the development of science and technology forms an important part. However, the scientific approach is still not well understood and this is liable to encourage the development of all manner of fundamentalism and extremism. The total rejection of science is definitely one of the most serious threats to human and civic rights.

Perhaps Islam rejects science but Biblical Christianity certainly does not. There would have been no science at all without the Biblical revelation. We'd still be back in paganism which defined the earth as the center of the universe (which got into the Catholic church through Aristotle and Aquinas) among other unscientific beliefs. Only the law-making God of the Bible could show us a rational universe that could be studied and understood and used more efficiently than pagan society could ever have discovered.

13. The war on the theory of evolution and on its proponents most often originates in forms of religious extremism closely linked to extreme right-wing political movements. The creationist movements possess real political power. The fact of the matter, and this has been exposed on several occasions, is that some advocates of strict creationism are out to replace democracy by theocracy.

Islam certainly is, but the Christian worldview supports separation of church and state, rightly understood (yes it does) -- not the warped idea of separation of church and state now held by American leftists but the original idea of the American Founders.

14. All leading representatives of the main monotheistic religions have adopted a much more moderate attitude. Pope Benedict XVI, for example, as his predecessor Pope John-Paul II, today praises the role of science in the evolution of humanity and recognises that the theory of evolution is “more than a hypothesis”.

Yes, well of course the Antichrist is going to support evolution, anything against the true God.

15. The teaching of all phenomena concerning evolution as a fundamental scientific theory is therefore crucial to the future of our societies and our democracies. For that reason it must occupy a central position in the curriculums, and especially in the science syllabuses, as long as, like any other theory, it is able to stand up to thorough scientific scrutiny. Evolution is present everywhere, from medical overprescription of antibiotics that encourages the emergence of resistant bacteria to agricultural overuse of pesticides that causes insect mutations on which pesticides no longer have any effect.

That is "microevolution" not evolution, and it is of course recognized by Christians, though the term is objectionable.

As a Christian who sees what's coming from all this, oppression by the establishment followed by total domination by Islam, I do have a strong urge to find some safe zone to flee to, but there is no such safe zone, and I couldn't flee to it if there were, and the Lord wouldn't have us flee anyway. No, we're being set up for persecution and we're going to have to rise to the occasion spiritually.

16. The Council of Europe has highlighted the importance of teaching about culture and religion. In the name of freedom of expression and individual belief, creationist ideas, as any other theological position, could possibly be presented as an addition to cultural and religious education, but they cannot claim scientific respectability.

I doubt they are even going to allow this much. It sounds good at the moment but as soon as the creationist position is spelled out in all its truth under any title whatever they are going to clamp down on it.

17. Science provides irreplaceable training in intellectual rigour. It seeks not to explain “why things are” but to understand how they work.

The idea of evolution gives NO clue to how ANYTHING works. This is the biggest delusion imaginable. It's EVOLUTION that is all about "why things are," SCIENCE is something else entirely. Historically experimental science would never have developed at all without the Biblical revelation of the law-giving God who created all things.

18. Investigation of the creationists’ growing influence shows that the arguments between creationism and evolution go well beyond intellectual debate. If we are not careful, the values that are the very essence of the Council of Europe will be under direct threat from creationist fundamentalists. It is part of the role of the Council of Europe’s parliamentarians to react before it is too late.

Final Solution anybody?

19. The Parliamentary Assembly therefore urges the member states, and especially their education authorities to:

19.1. defend and promote scientific knowledge;

19.2. strengthen the teaching of the foundations of science, its history, its epistemology and its methods alongside the teaching of objective scientific knowledge;

19.3. make science more comprehensible, more attractive and closer to the realities of the contemporary world;

19.4. firmly oppose the teaching of creationism as a scientific discipline on an equal footing with the theory of evolution and in general the presentation of creationist ideas in any discipline other than religion;

19.5. promote the teaching of evolution as a fundamental scientific theory in the school curriculums.

20. The Assembly welcomes the fact that 27 academies of science of Council of Europe member states signed, in June 2006, a declaration on the teaching of evolution and calls on academies of science that have not yet done so to sign the declaration.


1. Assembly debate on 4 October 2007 (35th Sitting) (see Doc. 11375, report of the Committee on Culture, Science and Education, rapporteur: Mrs Brasseur). Text adopted by the Assembly on 4 October 2007 (35th Sitting).

Signs of the times, Christians, signs of the times.


  1. "Well, what we actually claim is more that it reveals scientific truth rather than a scientific discipline as such, and above all we claim that evolution is not science and we know that because of God's revelation, but there is genuine creationist science that is conducted by creationists as well."

    Why do you and many other evolution deniers think you know more about biology than all the world's biologists?

    Try telling a biologist that "evolution is not science". He or she will laugh at you and not waste time talking to you.

    When you say "evolution is not science" you're insulting thousands of biologists and you're showing off your ignorance.

    You really are a waste of time. Your other readers (if anyone actually reads your disgusting dishonest garbage) might want to buy and read this excellent 2009 book:

    Why Evolution is True by Jerry Coyne

    Don't bother reading it yourself because you wouldn't be able to understand it.

  2. Thank you very much for your post, I appreciate it, I really do.

    Much science is done in the name of evolution that could be done just as well without it. Amazing delusion the scientists are laboring under.

  3. Did you see my previous post that answers your charge that I think biologists are idiots? If not, here it is: Are Scientists Idiots?

  4. well bobxxx, I wouldn't say I know more then them but I would say that it's just as much a religion and a faith system as Christianity or any other religion.

    and what evolutionists are afraid of are objections to evolution. If they weren't then that would be taught in school as well. Instead it's taught as an absolute and anyone who raises a question is an idiot. Think of reverse Scopes.
    It's indoctrination now...not education.

    The funny thing is that many Christian colleges teach both and allow the objections to be heard and answered. It's called open intellectual inquiry...something that went by the wayside many years ago in our left wing madrassas we call colleges and universities.

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